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E112: Eclipses, Retrogrades and The U.S. Election - A Fall 2024 Astrology Outlook feat. Puja Robinson

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In this episode of Chakras and Shotguns, we're joined by astrologer Puja Robinson to dive into the astrological energies shaping Fall 2024. From upcoming eclipses to retrogrades, Puja provides insights on how these cosmic events will impact our lives. She also gives a fascinating astrological perspective on the U.S. presidential election, analyzing the birth charts of Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, and how they align with the birth chart of USA. Tune in for a blend of personal and political astrology as we explore the celestial influences that could shape the season ahead.

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Mik:

You are now listening to

Jenn:

chakras and shotguns. Welcome to chakras and shotguns. The podcast that guides you on your journey of spiritual development and personal preparedness. I'm Jen, a former lawyer, a wellness entrepreneur, and also Gemini rising.

Mik:

And I'm Mik, a marketer, Reiki master, and I am a Taurus rising.

Jenn:

And why are we talking about our astrology signs? This is not our usual lead in to the podcast. Look, we're going into fall. The world feels like it's in shambles. It's a lot of uncertainty in the air. Everything feels a little pregnant. Not me. But like that we're moving into something. Something's gonna be birthed, I hope. We have a major, very big election. Right around the corner. So we thought we would consult the stars and invite one of our favorite astrologers on to talk about fall 2024 and what that looks like for the collective and us as individuals.

Mik:

Yes, indeed. But before we get into that, we want to make sure that you guys are signed up for our mailing list. We'll be sending out a note specifically around this episode, featuring some thoughts and insights regarding. the astrology of this fall. So you don't want to miss that email. You can join the mailing list using the link in the podcast description or by visiting chakrasandshotguns. com. All right. So let's begin as we always do with the show with a breath work meditation to put us into a mindful place.

Jenn:

All right. So a little bit about me and make, I don't know if this resonates with you as well, but as I further developed my meditation practice, it almost felt like sitting down can be working in and of itself. But also like, what am I going to do? Am I going to try and manifest doing my prayers and my manifestations and my visualizations? Am I going to sit and ask for downloads and receive, am I just going to breathe, which can be, you know, like. This is what I'm going to commit to. And I feel like sometimes I can be like, all right, what's the agenda for the meditation? And I make it more of an action item versus being present, which was a theme in this interview that you're about to hear. So I thought it would be a really good idea to do a breath work that just really centers, really grounds. And really gives you the space to just be here now. I

Mik:

love it. I love it.

Jenn:

All right. So go ahead and find a comfortable seat. You can always lie down. Place one hand on your belly, one hand on your heart, face down. When our hands are face down, they are more of a grounding energy. Flicker your eyes closed if they aren't already. Take a deep inhale in through your nose. Hold that breath at the top and exhale your breath all the way back out. Beautiful. Inhale through your nose, hold, and exhale your breath all the way back out. Inhale through your nose. Hold. Unhinge your jaw, stick out your tongue, and lion's breath, exhale back out through your mouth. Let's do another one of those together. Inhale through your nose, lion's breath, exhale back out through, inhale through your nose, hold at the top. Exhale a third of your air back out through your nose. Hold. Exhale another third. Third, back out through your nose and then fully exhale all of your remaining air out through your nose. Hold on empty. Inhale through your nose all the way up to the top. Feel your belly expand. Exhale your top third of air hole. Exhale another third hole. Exhale that last. Take a deep inhale in through your nose. Exhale that breath back out through your mouth. Allow yourself to breathe normally. Just following your inhales and your exhales. Shrug your shoulders up to your ears. If you can, roll back down. Let's take one more deep inhale in together. Exhale out through your mouth. Just let something go, start to wiggle your fingers, wiggle your toes, maybe even rotate your ankles, your wrists, bring your arms overhead, take a big full body stretch, point your toes. If you're lying down, you can roll onto your favorite side, maybe a fetal position. Give your knees a squeeze. Start to come back into the room, flickering your eyes open, laugh and welcome back. I hope you're grounded. Thank you for being here.

Mik:

That was great, Jen. Uh, I resonate a lot with the feeling, the need to have an agenda when I meditate. And so it's helpful just to remember, Hey, I just breathe.

Jenn:

It feels so contradictory of like, but I think it's kind of the human, especially like type A. Yeah. To do list type of people that we can be, that we can be like, okay, I got to get this download. I got it. And I feel like the more you force it, the less you even get out of it anyway. Exactly. So just breathe. Just be here. Relax. Ground.

Mik:

All right. Well, as Jenn mentioned in the lead in, we are welcoming Puja Robinson to the show again. I just want to give a little bit about Puja before we jump into the interview. So Puja Robinson is an amazing astrologer based in Tucson, Arizona. She translates the stars for clients around the world. offering cosmic insight that empowers them to accept and understand themselves at a soul level and to navigate life with intention and awareness. I'll add that she has also given Jen and I both some very illuminating readings over the years. Uh, and she was very helpful when we were making our decision to move cross country a couple of years ago. So With no further ado, we welcome Puja Robison back to the show.

Jenn:

All right, this is the beginning of the interview with Puja, but it is not the first time that we have tried to record this today. Uh, I think it's appropriate that our favorite astrologer is on where we're feeling the effects of Mercury in retrograde, the shadow, the mic was not mic ing. But we're here. Puja, welcome back. We're so excited to have you back on the show. It's been a minute.

Puja:

Thank you. Oh my gosh, I know. Way too long. Way too long. I'm happy to be back.

Mik:

We're so happy to have you. So we want to focus today's episode on the fall of 2024, uh, and just kind of talk a little bit about first, some of the themes and some of the energies that you're kind of seeing for this season.

Puja:

Yes, absolutely. I feel like as soon as you said the fall of 2024, it got so dramatic in my head. Like, Yes, the fall of 2024. Um, but honestly, that is kind of the vibes, you know, as we are moving into 2025., there's a lot of major things that are shifting in 2025. Um, Saturn is going to move into a different sign. Neptune is going to move into a different sign. Uranus is going to move into a different sign. The North Node is going to move into a different sign. There are major, major tonal shifts in 2025. Um, so fall kind of feels like this major wrapping up, , not just because of the season, but because, um, you know, we are making our way into a completely different, um, energy, vibe cycle, um, next year. So again, the fall of 2024 is the fall of 2024.

Mik:

Got it. Got it. Hmm.

Jenn:

This sounds like a lot, but I, and I. Whatever tiktok serves me astrology wise, it's just like all of these things are happening. We haven't seen this planet and this sign and this long and we're like making this huge collective shift like it feels like the energy is going that direction. Yeah. Nevermind the fact that the United States has like a really big election this year. Absolutely.

Mik:

We'll talk about that. I'm sure.

Jenn:

So it's like, I feel that it's like, yeah, that makes sense. As a millennial. I'm tired of seeing new things sometimes of like big shifts, big, like collective shakeups, the way we think about things, the status flow, like it feels like every, like right when you catch your breath, like something else is. It's moving.

Puja:

All those memes that are like, oh, when can I, can I live in precedented times? That'd be really great. Like what? Yeah.

Mik:

So why don't we dive into some of the individual transits? Feel free to start where, wherever you feel. Um, but let's talk about some of the impacts of some of this planet movement we have going on.

Puja:

Absolutely. So kicking it off with a bang, um, we get out of Mercury's shadow and then we dive right into eclipse season. Yay. Um, so of course, eclipse season, right? They bring so much change. both, you know, outwardly and externally, but also often, um, inwardly and just kind of those emotional changes. Um, so September 17th, there will be a lunar eclipse in Pisces. Um, this one really comes with kind of like an underline and asterisks, um, just kind of some, um, bold print, if you will, just because this is the beginning of the eclipse cycle in Pisces Virgo. And this is important because, again, tonal shifts, but also, you know, within our own charts, this means that those major changes are now going to be moving to a different area of life for us.

Mik:

Hmm. So are there any specific like sun signs or moon signs or even rising signs that are going to be like, especially impacted by this Pisces, uh, eclipse season or Pisces Virgo eclipse season.

Puja:

Yeah, definitely. All the mutable signs. So, you know, Pisces, Virgo, Gemini, Sagittarius, um, they will definitely be feeling it. Um, I would say Pisces rising, um, just any mutable rising, cause it's going to be really angular for you. Um, so that means that kind of all the major parts of your life are going to be shifting if you are a mutable rising sign. So again, Pisces, Gemini rising, Virgo rising, um, Sag rising. You're going to have changes in your career at home and family with the people in your life and then within yourself.

Mik:

You have a Gemini rising in your ear.

Puja:

I'm a Virgo rising. So right there with you. Okay. How's it make you feel?

Jenn:

It actually tracks, it actually tracks with what I'm hoping for, you know, hope they're all good changes. Um, so very interesting, but yeah, I've done a lot of like unpacking and a lot of like, you know, my own shadow work and self work and, you know, shaking the table. Here we go. So again, right when I get my feet up under me, Yeah, what's next? So,

Mik:

yeah, I know we talked in the past about eclipses and how it can cause that shaking of the table. Uh, and I know some of the tips we kind of give out there were like making sure you're staying grounded, going into nature, journaling, anything else you would add to that Puja to kind of help folks navigate that big eclipse that's coming on the 17th.

Puja:

I would say just, yeah, being really present and just, just being with what it is, you know, I think the, the gift of. astrology and other modalities becoming so mainstream. Um, and we'll definitely get into this later with Neptune and Pisces, but the gift of it is that all of this information is so accessible. Um, you know, it can be pretty consistent, especially, you know, if you are on, you know, social media and the algorithm is like, oh, you like this. Um, but I think it can create kind of almost that doom scrolling effect, um, where you're like, oh, another thing and then another thing and then another thing. Um, and I think when you are really just present within your own life and just aware of, you know, the rhythm of you. I think it becomes easier to navigate the astrology because then it's, you know, kind of like Jen, you just said, actually that tracks and that, that's kind of in alignment with what I'm hoping for. Um, so I think that can be, it's really kind of obvious and simple, but I think just, again, being really present and just, just going with it. That's where we're at. Saturn's in Pisces. We're all supposed to be flowing right now. Hmm. Okay. What else we got? Hmm. So yeah, that's just one eclipse, right? They come in sets. So, um, the other one will be October 2nd. That one's a solar eclipse in Libra. Um, so, you know, again, changes, changes, changes. Um, and then as well, um, Pluto. So Pluto, uh, moved back into Capricorn a couple of days ago, September 1st. Um, this is major because Pluto has, um, you know, been moving through Capricorn since January of 2008. Um, so this is really kind of his final, um, you know, stay, his last gasp, if you will, um, of Capricorn themes. Um, and to me, when I think of a planet, especially an outer planet, kind of retrograding for the final time, it always feels like, you know, when your parents told you to clean your room and they're like coming back to check, you know, like, did you actually do it? So I think that's a part of, you know, Capricorn. the journey for us personally with Pluto retrograding. Um, you know, whatever part of your chart he's been moving through, there's been so many deep, profound changes. Um, and you may find that while he's in Capricorn for the next couple of months, um, until November 19th, 19th, that, you know, some of those habits or instincts may be kind of kicking up., and it's really. a great opportunity to be aware of them, um, and just kind of rework some things or, uh, really get some closure on certain parts of your life. So that's major again, personally, because that's such a big tonal shift. Um, and then it's major collectively, um, especially here in the U S, um, in alignment with the election, um, and with the United States birth chart that, has. Pluto in Capricorn. So we're completing our Pluto return here in the U. S.

Mik:

It might be helpful here to kind of just remind folks when Pluto, Pluto is going from Capricorn to Aquarius. What are some of those kind of large things that we expect to see from moving from Capricorn to Aquarius and kind of like what the retrograde means in relation to that?

Puja:

So, wherever Pluto is, he is Um, kind of giving that sign power as well as also, um, exposing, uh, you know, any form of corruption, um, or misuse of power. It's, it's really a blend of both, right? Um, so Capricorn is really about big businesses, um, government, um, so, you know, when he moved, when Pluto moved into Capricorn, right, it's when, um, you know, the stock market crashed, um, major recession in 2008, things were not super great, um, But as well, I think that, uh, I think it was the Astro Twins that recently posted a meme that, um, pointed out that at the beginning of Pluto into Capricorn, there was this general theme of hope, right, um, based on Barack Obama. So there's this theme of like, okay, hope. And as Pluto is leaving Capricorn. Um, there is similar sentiments and feelings of hope coming from Kamala Harris. Um, so it's not all bad, right? With Capricorn. It's not all bad with Pluto. Um, but that is really the main themes of Capricorn is like the power lies within corporations and businesses and government, and when it moves into Aquarius, that energy, um, and that power really changes hands and it's focused more on. Um, kind of like technology, uh, medicine people. Um, you know, last time Pluto was an Aquarius, um, the Declaration of Independence was written, um, right, so we the people of the United States, it's the idea of the power lies within the hands of the people. However, like I said, when Pluto is in a sign, it's both, um, exposing corruption and creating corruption, as well as, you know, giving power. So we're going to see a rise in the influence of, um, honestly, like tech companies. Um, Facebook and social media, um, as well, we're going to see a rise, hopefully, fingers crossed, um, in the influence of us as people, um, when that was written, right? A lot of people were not included in that. A lot of people did not have rights. Um, so I'm hoping that with this move through Aquarius, that it will really, actually balance and include, um, you know, a greater span of people. Um, but, you know, that's a 20 year journey, so it's not going to be overnight. Um, and, you know, Aquarius can definitely be tied to, you know, things like, you know, Rebellions and things of that nature. So we will see, right. It's like, again, we're just out here living in unprecedented times. Another, another,

Jenn:

another one. Yeah. I'm excited. You know, I'm an Aquarius sign, so Aquarius sign ever. Um, but I had been tracking that somewhat before because didn't Pluto kind of pop into Aquarius and then pop out.

Mik:

Yeah. Earlier this year. So it's in retrograde going back to Capricorn. Right. This is his last time in Capricorn.

Jenn:

See, I know Justin never thought Australia would be dangerous. And so I was like, yes, like we're going to,

Puja:

we're

Jenn:

going to get some of these old folks out of Congress. Like they need to retire. They need to go home, eat a cookie, have a nice blanket. It's time. And so, and you know, I feel like corporations are like the overlords, but it is a little, get a little nervous with the tech companies. Cause I just saw a story where it was like, the cops are,

Puja:

if there's

Jenn:

a crime in an area and they can find a Tesla, they're like getting the camera footage from the Tesla. So it's like Teslas are kind of surveilling us at all times and like,

Mik:

yeah, so when you, when you park a Tesla, it basically is filming essentially making sure if it's ever like, you know, involved in like a parked car collision or something like that, you can always get to see the footage on a Tesla. And so. Yeah. Cool. It's always surveilling. And so, yeah, they were talking, I think it was San Francisco? Is that where it was? Yeah, they were basically utilizing that feature to kind of help solve crimes. You know, the more Tesla's on the road, the more surveillance we're under.

Puja:

That's very Pluto and Aquarius. I feel like there's going to be more of that, right? Again, how can we find power through technology?

Mik:

Very interesting. So I wanted to talk a little bit about some of the other retrogrades that are happening this fall, and kind of what that means for us. I think there's quite a few, if I remember correctly.

Puja:

There is. There surely is. Um, this fall we have, again, Uranus retrograded on September 1st, um, Jupiter will be going retrograde October 9th, um, I will say with that one, just because that one's more of like a social planet, so we do feel it a little bit more because he moves signs every year, um, I think this one can sometimes be almost like a relief, um, because Jupiter ultimately rules our growth, um, so. You know, he likes to really blow things up and so he can kind of be like egging us on, um, or hyping us up, like, yes, do the thing, do the thing, yes, do this, do that, do this, do that, um, and it can be really tiring, especially right now while it's in Gemini, he's like, do all the things, do all the things, yes, yes, do five things at once, come on, you got this, um, and so again, it can be really, really tiring, so I think that this retrograde might, may actually be kind of like a relief for people where they can kind of like pause and then just like, okay, okay. I have been working on those five things. Do I need to maybe like, you know, pare back and do two of those things? Like, is this getting a little out of hand? Um, so I think this may again be, um, kind of soothing for any sort of like overstimulation or overextending that we've been doing, um, when it comes to our growth. Um, and then Mars will be retrograding. Um, so, uh, stationing retrograde on December 6th. So this one is to me the most, um, impactful of you, if you will, um, for the fall season, just because we haven't had a Mars retrograde since 2022.

Mik:

retrograde means and how we can, uh, I guess prepare ourselves?

Puja:

So, um, Mars essentially, right, rules our energy and, you know, whereas Venus wants to attract and connect, um, Mars wants to protect and attack. So he really, right, rules our like, Our, just our drive, our assertion, um, our ability to go after things and get what it is that we want. So when Mars is retrograde, um, we feel less motivated. We feel more tired. Um, we can feel more impatient. Um, especially this Mars retrograde is going to be in Leo. Um, we can feel less inspired. Um, we can feel just like really bored or fed up with people who don't see our worth and what we're contributing. Um, there can just be a lot of ego this particular Mars retrograde. Um, just cause again, the Leo kind of piece there. So, it's really a time to kind of do less. Um, and really just take stock of, you know, what it is that's draining you. What it is that's taking up your time. Um, what it is that you kind of need to, like, cut out of your life that really isn't, again, inspiring you, bringing you joy, um, acknowledging your worth, um, you may find that, you know, during this time, or just in general, I think we're going to find that there's maybe more breakups, um, maybe more creative projects being kind of, like, canceled, or just, like, um, again, just concluded, um, because, again, the Leo's like, mm, it's not there for me, Let's not do it anymore.

Jenn:

And how long is that retrograde going to last?

Puja:

So that one is until, um, it's going from December 6th until February, February 23rd. So it starts in Leo and then it moves back into cancer. Um, so as well, it's not even just, um, that idea of like, okay, you're not, you know, acknowledging, you know, the wonderful contributions that I've made. Um, but also, you know, is this even worth, um, you know, like my energy in terms of, you know, Like this would be, I'm not making anything from this, or, um, this is taking too much time away from me when I could be spending this with my family. Or this doesn't make me happy. And I would rather be, you know, like at home eating a burrito on the couch. Like that just sounds better than being, you know, at this concert right now, to be honest with you. Um, so I think in general, again, we're going to feel a very, uh, just kind of like this, like pull back. To, okay, I would rather be doing this, like, I'd rather be inside because outside ain't cutting it right now. Okay.

Mik:

And does that affect certain signs more than others?

Puja:

Definitely, yeah. So, Mars in Leo's, you're going to be feeling it. Mars in Cancer's, you're going to be feeling it. Um, yeah, I would say probably. Leo risings, you're gonna be feeling it. Maybe cancer risings. Um, I think this is personally, I think this is interesting just in alignment with, um, the election because both, um, Kamala Harris and I believe Donald Trump, I think he has a, uh, Mars and Leo. Let me look really quickly. Kamala Harris definitely does. Um, yeah, they both have Mars and Leo. So I just think that's interesting that they, are going to go through a Mars return that actually starts with kind of this retrograde. And I so badly wish I knew like what that would mean for the results. Um, I don't, I don't, but, um, I, yeah, I just thought that was really interesting.

Mik:

Yeah. I mean, I think that's a, that's a great segue to kind of talk about the election or what are you kind of seeing just when you talk about the candidates individually or the country as a whole and kind of the energy around the election. Kind of what are you, what are you saying?

Puja:

Yeah, I mean, I think it's super interesting, right, that, um, you know, Pluto is going to be, or it is in Capricorn at the moment, um, for the buildup to this election. Um, I'm hopeful, and of course this is going to expose me, um, as a Democrat and supporter of Kamala Harris, but, um, I'm hopeful that it means that. We all will be feeling this sense of, okay, we cannot keep continuing on and the way that we have. Um, it did feel like there was a general consensus of that when it was Biden and Trump and we were all just kind of like, You know, hands in the air, like, are you kidding me again? Um, and then, you know, when Kamala announced her bid, it, it just felt like that renewal of hope. So I'm hoping that that is kind of in alignment with, okay, we need to, you know, we're doing this final Pluto and Capricorn dance that we have to do. Um, but then with the shift into Aquarius of, okay, now we can actually get to work. Now we can actually make changes. Now we can actually, um, you know, Yeah, just make changes and, and acknowledge different people, um, that haven't really, you know, had certain like, um, I don't even know, just acknowledgments, you know, like I think of Kamala Harris, of course, you know, she would be the first female president, first black female president, right? There's so many layers there. Um, but even Tim Walls, you know, he has a neurodivergent son. I just think that there would be so many different, um, you know, people who would, would be able to take up more space and, and have their kind of, um, just their, their selves, uh, be represented in, in the office. So yeah. That's a huge part of it. Um, I personally, again, I'm hoping, hoping for Kamala Harris to win. Um, I actually, the other day, just for funsies, was looking at her chart and Donald Trump's chart in Sinistri, so in alignment with the United States birth chart. Um, I know, again, just for funsies. Um, something I thought was interesting was, um, you know, Donald Trump had a lot of his planets fall into the United States 8th house, um, and 7th house, so to me that really read as him kind of utilizing the presidency and the country as a way to, um, you know, have more resources to get more things for himself, literally to use it for his own benefit, um, for his, you know, like the people he knows, their benefits. Um, so I thought that was really, again, kind of obvious, but also interesting. Um, you know, Whereas Kamala Harris, she has more of a 9th house, um, 10th house, 11th house synastry with the United States. Um, so to me it really looked like, you know, she acknowledges and is aware of, you know, the sanctity of what it is to be the leader of a country. You know, not using it for your own means, not using it, um, to get ahead, to get yourself and the people that you know ahead, but really acknowledging like, oh no, I'm, I'm the leader of a country. Um, As well, the United States has Neptune in their ninth house. Ninth house being about, you know, beliefs. Um, Neptune there, kind of fuzzy, right? It's like, what does the U. S. actually, like, believe in? What does it actually stand behind, you know? I know. Like, again, kind of fuzzy, kind of wishy washy, kind of like, TBD, um, influx at all times, right? Um, she has, let's see, I just want to quote it correctly. She has Um, Venus, Pluto and Uranus that falls into the ninth house for the United States. So I just thought that was really interesting because that Pluto is kind of like, okay, stop waffling. Like you need to determine what your beliefs are and we need to overhaul them and reform them and deeply transform them. And then Uranus there is bringing that like really interesting, innovative energy of like, okay, Let's update them. Um, and then Venus there is bringing like, okay, let's, um, you know, again, Venus being about connecting, let's connect. Let's work with people to understand what it is that the U. S. as a country, as the people need, um, you know, to move forward. Whereas Donald Trump, he had like one planet in there, but it wasn't, it wasn't a positive thing. I was like, oh, so you're just leaning into this kind of fuzzy status that we have with our beliefs and again, using it to kind of your own benefit. Um, So I thought that was really, really interesting. And, um, I, I feel very hopeful that, uh, with the cynistry of her and the United States, that she really can, um, you know, be such a big catalyst in making changes that I think this country, uh, deeply needs.

Jenn:

Yeah. Then all of them made me think of, um, Tim Walz kind of kicked off this whole thing about calling the other party weird. He was like, they're trying to take away women's rights. Like that's weird. Yeah. We want to be in your bedroom. That's really weird. And as we've had this conversation, I feel like everything I've heard about Pluto's shift into Aquarius was kind of like, we're, we're setting like a new standard and like, we're setting a new status quo. And so it just kind of like, it's so interesting how it all lines up that it was like, Oh, well, this other party believes in this. And I don't really agree with that. And that this is what insight. No, no, it's weird. It's weird that they want to do that. It's weird that they don't want women to vote anymore. It's weird that they don't want women to like, get a, you know, be able to get a no fault divorce. It's weird. And like, we need to be able to definitively say that so we can define who we are as a country and like what our ideals are and like what we're not gonna

Mik:

condone. Really,

Jenn:

right?

Mik:

We've allowed this slide to kind of happen for a while and it's like, all right, we're actually gonna put down some actual boundaries and say, yeah, it's really interesting. Um, I know there is, uh, around the election, a lot of concern around some of the rhetoric in the sense that it's becoming a lot more violent in some of the themes that people are saying, and you talked a little bit about Mars and Mars being kind of the protect and attack planet. It's retrograde, I believe. It's after the election, right? So I guess, how do you see Mars influence during the election kind of run up and right around it?

Jenn:

I'm like, are we going to have another January 6th?

Mik:

That's, yeah, kind of what I'm thinking.

Puja:

Yeah, that's a really great question. Um, I mean, I think part of that retrograde is, Again, like I said, when it's in Leo, I think there's going to be a lot of ego, a lot of ego kind of flying around. And I think it moving into cancer, um, is important too, because for a lot of people, I think that that is going to activate that, um, that feeling of, Oh, I need to defend my family. I need to do defend my country. Um, cancer can be very patriotic. Um, you know, at its lowest form that can really, uh, veer into extremism. Um, so that may very well be a part of the retrograde story. Um, there's, yeah, there's like so much involved, um, during the, uh, the election that that's activating both Trump's chart and Kamala Harris' chart, um, where I'm like, I don't know. I know some shortages are firmly one or the other, but, and again, we already know what I want, but you know, Uranus is hitting both of their. their charts. It's, it's hitting, you know, it's activating both of their 10th houses. Um, both of their charts are getting activated in a way where I'm like, this could go either way. I personally believe that it's going to be Kamala just based on, um, the astrology of like, in general, how we're kind of moving and shifting. Um, but yeah, I think it's going to be really interesting, I think, because Uranus is involved. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if there was, you know, pushback, um, and feelings of, you know, X, Y, and Z, that's going to come up for people. Um, but I think that's also just very much, you know, Pluto and Capricorn. And I think that's very much Uranus and Taurus. Um, both of those earth signs can be very rooted in tradition, um, in systems and structures and what is already established. Um, and they can have a really hard time pivoting and changing, but that's kind of. The nice thing about, um, next year is that we have, you know, more Aries energy, which is about new beginnings. Um, we have the Gemini energy, which is mutable. It's able to pivot. It's able to be open minded. Um, so again, I'm, I'm hopeful for, um, you know, Kamala, but I think either way, um, we're going to have, again, pushback and just, um, hurt feelings, if you will. Hmm. Hmm.

Jenn:

Yeah. I can see that either way.

Puja:

Yeah. Yeah.

Mik:

I just want to go back a second in case there were people who maybe don't fully understand like what Uranus in the 10th house or hitting their 10th house actually means. Do you mind just kind of giving a quick little breakdown of. You know, what's the significance of Uranus and the 10th house specifically? Yeah. So

Puja:

10th house is related to kind of our career. Um, it's a very, very visible, prominent house. Um, and Uranus is all about, you know, surprises, shakeups, unexpected things. Um, Uranus specifically hit Trump's chart, um, and it actually hit his mid heaven, um, with Mars, um, during the assassination attempt. So that's very right Uranus, like surprising, unexpected Mars is that right attack energy that we talked about earlier. Um, it's not actually hitting Kamala's, um, 10th house. It's activating her Jupiter, um, which is the ruler of her 10th house. That's why I'm like, okay, this is, this is super, super interesting. So again, they're both of their mid heavens related to their kind of highest career aspirations are getting activated. Um, Kamala's is more, uh, indirect if you will. Um, and then as well, there's actually a full moon in Taurus after the election. Um, that's right on top of Donald Trump's mid heaven and right on top of Kamala Harris's Jupiter, which again is the ruler of her 10th house. So again, both of those. spaces are getting activated. Um, that's why I'm like, it's so hard to know because for both people that full moon could be a conclusion, um, of career stuff of 10th house matters. Um, again, I'm just hoping that for Kamala, it's like, okay, I did the VP thing. Let me get into my president boots. Let's do this.

Mik:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Mik:

Like the stars are saying the race is too close to call to like, I know,

Jenn:

I know. Oh, okay. I'm just going to be present.

Mik:

Yeah. That's all we can do.

Jenn:

Cause I was like, let's just pass. I was like, no, you gotta be present. Fast forward.

Mik:

Unprecedented times.

Jenn:

Unprecedented times. All right. Well,

Mik:

Puja, I think we want to kind of wrap things up a little bit, but if I wanted to give you an opportunity, if you wanted to give folks some advice, like maybe three things that Puja says. What do you think we should be doing to kind of cope with all the things and the transits and the energies that are being, that are moving during the fall of 2024?

Puja:

Yeah, great question. Um, I would say, again, I already spilled kind of my favorite one just being present. Um, but, you know, Saturn is in Pisces right now. That's really major. Um, Neptune's been in Pisces for a while. Um, it's going to shift next year, like I said, into Aries. Um, so the gift of that, right, is that, you know, we've all really been kind of opened up, um, to spirituality, to intuition, to astrology, um, to so many different things, right? Psychedelics, consciousness, all of this stuff is really becoming mainstream and legalized and all of these, um, really exciting, beautiful things. Um, however, Saturn moving through Pisces is really, Um, encouraging us to be grounded, to be realistic, um, you know, Neptune kind of whispers to us, like, hey, follow me out into the ethers, let's, you know, go kind of like get lost, or let's go escape this boring world that we live in, or this scary world that we live in, um, and Saturn, again, is really pushing and encouraging all of us to, to be here, And to just, um, you know, work with our coping skills and tools that we have, um, to just be really present. And that's kind of where we're at. And it's so interesting, you know, both in my personal life and then even, you know, in my readings with my clients, I would say every single person is kind of in this, space where they're like, I feel like I've never been here before, like I've never walked this path. I've never experienced this thing. I am just literally taking it day by day. I don't know like what's going on. Um, and I think that's again, kind of the Saturn and Pisces journey is that it's really forcing all of us to just root into the here and now to be able to flow, to be fluid. Um, you know, that's the Pisces energy is like, I'm just. I'm just here. I'm just existing. I'm flowing, you know, and that's, and that's okay. So I think that's, um, major again, moving into, um, 2025, moving through all of this intense, uh, shifts and changes and energies. Um, especially, you know, with that Pisces eclipse coming up, um, yeah, just if you feel like you've been taking it day by day and that's all you've been able to do, congratulations. That's exactly what you're supposed to be doing. You're in a good place, the right place, um, and just keep doing that.

Mik:

Okay. So it resonates. Yeah, absolutely. Be present. Have some grace for yourself. If you just, all you got is, is one day at a time and I like that. I like it.

Jenn:

SPujaja, if people want to reach out, if they want to follow you, find out more about what's going on, where can they find you?

Puja:

Yes, you can find me on Instagram at Puja Robinson, um, or my website, PujaRobinson. com. Um, I recently launched a blog, um, Hold This Space. I will be also launching a YouTube, um, account. later. Actually, not even this year, 2025. Okay. Let's just, let's just be realistic. Okay. Saturn Pisces 2025. So that is where you can find me.

Mik:

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Puja. We appreciate it. And it's always a pleasure to talk to you. We'll be in touch.

Puja:

Thank you so much for having me on here again. This has been amazing.

Jenn:

All right, that's the show. Thank you again to Puja for an amazing forecast for the fall. I, if any of that scared you, I think I would recommend, this is kind of my go to thing. It's like, this is an experiment, like we're on a floating rock. Pay attention, maybe even mark the dates in your phone. Journaling is very helpful for you to like, kind of compare notes. It's like, this is how I'm feeling today. And then you're like, oh, well, I did hear about this transit from. Astrologer to the stars, Puja Robinson and seeing like, you know, it's, it's be curious about it instead of wary because it's bigger things that are at play and they don't have to be in your control. Also friendly reminder to join the mailing list. We're always sending out goodies. We have things coming all the time. Little things, little things that we're planning for the fall that we're building up to that hopefully the retrogrades.

Mik:

Don't slow down.

Jenn:

Don't slow down

Mik:

All right, guys. Finally, if you're loving the show, please remember to give us five stars wherever you listen

Jenn:

namaste