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E115: The Power of Breath: How Breathing Can Transform Your Life

• Mik & Jenn • Episode 115

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Most of us take breathing for granted, but our breath is one of the most powerful tools we have for growth. In this episode, we dive into the incredible benefits of deep breathing for both your body and spirit. We explore how breath impacts the nervous system and promotes well-being, while also discussing its spiritual significance across various traditions—from Abrahamic creation stories to Eastern traditions that use prana and chi. Stay tuned until the end for a special discount on a personal breathwork session with Mik.

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Mik:

You are now listening to

Jenn:

Chakras and Shotguns. Welcome to Chakras and Shotguns, the podcast that guides you on a journey of spiritual development and personal preparedness. I'm Jen, a kinda lawyer, former corporate lawyer. I don't know. Tarot card reader, yoga instructor, lover of all things wellness.

Mik:

And I'm Mick, a marketer, energy healer, and prepper. On average, we take between 17, 000 and 24, 000 breaths per day. A lot of breathing. So it's, you know, normal for us to kind of take breathing for granted. But today we're actually going to be a lot more mindful. We're going to focus in on the power of the breath. And talk about how certain breathing techniques can be used for personal transformation.

Jenn:

All right, before we get into that though, we want to shout out Bran, our newest patron on Patreon. Thank you so much for your support. It was amazing meeting you. I got to do her human design reading. So it was a fantastic experience. If you want to get in on these perks, check out our Patreon, patreon. com slash Chakras and Shotguns. If. You're thinking about getting a hoodie for the fall sweater weather. You can get a discount on the merch. If you go to patreon. com slash soccers and shotguns.

Mik:

Absolutely. So check that out. You can also find the link to that in the show description. Also had one more shout out. Zin and I had a first that happened over, over the weekend. Yeah. We were out and about in L. A. We're over at the L. A. County Museum of Art, and we had a listener come up to us out in the wild, say what's up to us. Um, so that was the first time that's happened, where we met someone who we didn't know before, who, who listens to the show, and they wanted to just come up and meet us, and, and show some love. So, we really appreciate that. So, shout out to Ashley. Ashley. Uh, we really appreciate you coming up and saying what's up to us.

Jenn:

Yeah, it was completely out of context too. I was like, wait, where do I know you from? Yeah, the

Mik:

kids with us, we didn't know what was going on. I was like, how do I know you? Okay, got it. Well, yeah, it was great to, great to meet her. Um, so yeah, if you see us out and about, come up, say what's up. We're always, uh, happy to meet folks who listen to the show.

Jenn:

Yeah, for sure.

Mik:

All right. So let's begin as we always do with a breathwork, with a breathwork meditation to put us in a mindful place.

Jenn:

All right. I think I'm going to keep it simple. All right,

Mik:

let's

Jenn:

do

Mik:

it.

Jenn:

Also, I think this is the first time that we've recorded since. Fatman Scoot passed away.

Mik:

Oh, man. Shout out to Fatman.

Jenn:

And in the intro, all I could hear in my head was, Breathe in, breathe out. MARK LAUGHS I love Fatman Scoot.

Mik:

Apparently, our daughters do, too.

Jenn:

And they always make me be Fatman Scoot whenever we listen to Lose Control.

Mik:

Exactly, exactly.

Jenn:

So Yeah, rest in peace. What a treasure. What a delight. Um, but no, seriously, we're just gonna keep it simple and focus on the breath, which is a very easy, Mink can attest to this. It's something he's been doing lately. Not Trying to basically over plan your meditation

Mik:

of like,

Jenn:

Oh, I'm going to do this. And maybe I'm going to connect with my spirit team, or maybe I'm going to manifest or, Oh, I'm going to try and get some downloads or, you know, whatever, but just sitting there for a period of time and only focusing on your breath. Letting the thoughts come in and go, let them go unconcerned. And that's what we're going to do for a little period of time. All right. So go ahead and find a comfortable seat. You can always lie down and let's begin. We're going to place our hands somewhere on our body, uh, face down. So, I always like to put one hand on my belly, one hand on my heart to really give ourselves that mind body connection as we're really being thoughtful and mindful of something that we do completely unconscious of until we're intentional about it, which is breathing. So take a deep inhale in through your nose and feel your belly rise. Press underneath your hand exhale, your breath back out through your mouth, feeling your tummy collapse let's do that again, inhale through your nose exhale back out through your mouth. One more together, inhale through your nose. And this time, seal your lips closed and exhale your breath back out through your nose. Try to slow down your inhales, so inhale slowly, and then exhale just as slow. Find an inhale, and exhale, inhale, and exhale. Go ahead and continue breathing. Try to match the lengths of your inhales to your exhales. If thoughts pop up, try and try and remain a detached observer and let them just pass you by. Bringing your awareness and your focus back to your breath. Notice how something as small as just taking in air and exhaling air can move your body, can create different sensations in your body. Take a deep inhale in through your nose. Hold that breath at the top. Exhale your breath back out through your mouth. Inhale through your nose and exhale your breath back out through your mouth. Take whatever movements feel good to you and your body right now. Maybe you wiggle your fingers and toes, stretch your arms overhead, whatever feels nice, whatever feels pleasurable. When you're ready, look through your eyes open, come back into the room. Welcome back.

Mik:

Great work again, as always. Thank

Jenn:

you.

Mik:

All right, so let's get into the main topic.

Jenn:

Okay.

Mik:

As we've kind of been on this spiritual journey, uh, I mentioned before how I went to the Aniwa gathering, got to be in the presence of a lot of different indigenous elders, and one of the things that I was really fascinated by is that across cultures, there is this kind of importance that's placed on the act of breathing, not just physically, but also spiritually as well. And so I wanted to just spend some time really diving into that and really exploring, like, why is breathing and the breath so important?

Jenn:

For sure. And let's start with the physical aspects of breathing first. I mean, we know that breathing keeps us Um, but the reality is most of us are breathing too shallow, the majority of the time, you know, when we do an exercise, like we did just a few moments ago, you notice that you don't breathe like that you don't, you don't breathe that way in your day to day. I think I had to early in my yoga practice, I had to become accustomed to breathing. In air while my belly rose, we, even when we think about taking in a deep breath, we suck in, we're like, you know, and suck our stomachs in. And when we breathe out, we think about our bellies going out, but instead it's like this inflation of air using our belly, almost like a balloon before we deflate it when we exhale. So even thinking about that of like learning how to breathe.

Mik:

Yeah.

Jenn:

It's something that we don't do. And I forgot the biological term for this, but it's like breathing is one of those behaviors and traits that we don't have to learn. It's innate, right? You come out of the womb breathing. So the fact that it's something that we can learn more about and master is fascinating to me, just from like a physical standpoint, but we're not using our full lung capacity in just like when we're passing the day away.

Mik:

Absolutely. And that's. It's actually really interesting. I think it's something that I don't know. I never looked into like across cultures, like how breathing may be different across cultures, but I do know and I've heard a lot of healers talk about this and I didn't quite understand it. They were saying things like, you know, we're constantly in fight or flight, right? And I thought it was more so just like, You know, we're getting a bunch of emails from different departments telling us we got to turn in a CPS report. And like that was keeping our like nerves high, right? That's kind of how I interpreted it. But like from a physical standpoint, our breath actually contributes to our body's ability to be in fight or flight or rest and digest. So you're talking about the sympathetic versus the parasympathetic nervous system. And so when you are in fight or flight, you breathe very shallow and quick, right? Like think about like if something is like frightening you, like, you know, you kind of have that. In and out really quick pace breathing. And so when we're breathing shallow, we're actually feeding that cycle. Right? So it's like we breathe shallow and that puts us into fight or flight and we continue to breathe shallow because we're in fight or flight, right? Like, and so it's like this kind of never ending cycle that we don't break in this. We're very mindful and conscious of our breathing, you know? So very interesting that like the breath can control. that part of our nervous system.

Jenn:

Yeah. And we talk about fight or flight a lot on the podcast, because it's fascinating and because it's also like a key in regulating our nervous system. But it's so stupid. It's so stupid that We have created conditions to make us feel like a lion is chasing us down. And it's just your micromanaging boss sending you like the third email in four minutes. Like that's dumb. Yeah,

Mik:

that's dumb.

Jenn:

We don't need emails to survive. It's not. You know what I mean? Like, that mechanism is for survival and you talking about like TPS reports or whatever, like, you know, we're being silly about offices, but babies instinctually know how to breathe from their diaphragm and then we lose that ability to breathe. And we don't lose it, but it's not as innate anymore over time. And you're talking about like being up here and being in the chest and feeling like your chest is tight and you can't breathe and you have a panic attack. It's like, you've lost that. It's really like that connection with your body because of all of the noise. So the fact that breathing can help us control our level of stress. is very fascinating to me. And when we were thinking through this episode, I thought about my early, the early years of my legal career when I was at a law firm, which was very stressful for me. And I remember that I would get up from my desk, maybe I was going to the copy machine, or the bathroom, or the break room, whatever, and I would take these really loud exhales. Now, I was, Practicing yoga off and on, but yoga was not life like it is for me now. And so I would get up from my desk and I would just be like in the hallway and I'd be like, Ah,

Mik:

yeah,

Jenn:

it was probably very disruptive.

Mik:

Yeah,

Jenn:

but I remember this partner was like, Jennifer, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I'm fine. And my body was like screaming, like, get us the fuck out of here. Like, We're freaking out. I'm like, this is not okay.

Mik:

You were in fight or flight.

Jenn:

I was in fight or flight. And I was just like walking down the hall. And I was just be like, Huh. And I was literally, my body was trying to tell me, Hello, we're trying to regulate here. And you're not helping. And y'all aren't helping either. But you're not helping.

Mik:

Yeah. No, it's like, Take that exhale when you need it, you know. And I'm sure your body's listening to your body when it's trying to tell you to take that exhale, right?

Jenn:

Yeah.

Mik:

And let that be a clue as to what's going on with you from a physical standpoint.

Jenn:

These are the days of our lives. I don't know. I don't think I do it.

Mik:

Yeah.

Jenn:

I definitely don't do it at that frequency. For sure. Now, but there have been times where I've let out an exhale and mixed like what's wrong? I mean, what's going on

Mik:

that beef? Okay, you need some so I think that kind of covers like the physical aspect of breathing Why it's really important that we breathe from our diaphragm It helps us to get out of that sympathetic nervous system and into more of the the parasympathetic Which is like the rest in digest phase so, you know utilize a you know, whatever tools you can to really focus on breathing from your belly. We went through an exercise with Jan earlier today. That's one way in which you can, you know, practice getting into that space from a physical standpoint. But I want to move the conversation and talk a little bit more about what breathing means from a spiritual standpoint. I think across major religions, we see the importance of the breath. I'll start with Christianity and talk about the Bible. So, as they say in the church, I'm gonna read from the King James Version, Genesis chapter 2, verse 7. It reads, And the Lord God formed a man of the dust of the ground. And breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Jenn:

In addition to the Bible, we also see similar language in the Quran where Allah creates man from clay, breathes a spirit into him. In Judaism, specifically Jewish folklore, Jewish mysticism, the word golem is a Hebrew word and that's a mythical being created from clay and breathed into by its creator. Now, the first time I heard about golem. And as we were putting together this episode, I was like, it's the Gollum. We need Gollum. And I was like, where does that come from? I thought it came from non religious witchcraft. Like, I thought it was a pagan type of idea. Specifically because the first time I heard about Gollum, it was, I don't remember what show it was, but it was probably a show I was watching or a book I was reading. And, It was either probably used to do no good or something like that, you know, to kind of be this agent. Yeah. But like the, that it was magical and not necessarily spiritual.

Mik:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jenn:

I'm making a slight differentiation around it. But to find out that it was Jewish mysticism, and I even stumbled in, I'm going on a tangent, but I even stumbled into some Reddits about whether or not it was cultural appropriation for witches to create golems, because it's a Jewish tradition, I thought was really fascinating. We've been talking about it for years, about doing mysticism episodes, about, you know, these religions that we feel like, look, as a Christian, uh, growing up Christian, Harry Potter could, Harry Potter was on a chopping block.

Mik:

It was controversial to some congregations. Halloween,

Jenn:

it's a harvest festival. Fall festival, you gonna bob for apples and you gonna sit down and read, read the good book. So that was just fascinating to me thinking about it in that way. Like we really only get, Oh, you know, God breathed into this, this pile of dust and created a man and, and like, that's it. And it's like this level of spiritual power that was like very much so reserved. Yeah. Um, and not accessible, but in like different traditions, it can mean different things. Yeah. But that's, you know, that's very interesting because that's, that's our background. That's where we came from. For sure. Where else do we see spiritually, you know, the breath being important?

Mik:

Absolutely. I think it also shows up in, in Eastern traditions. So thinking about Hinduism and Taoism specifically, you know, the breath is viewed as vital life force, right? So in Hinduism, it's often referred to as prana. We see qi, which is also the key in reiki in the Japanese tradition. So this idea that the breadth is really important for, for moving energy around the body shows up in, in the Eastern traditions as well. So when I kind of like take a step back and think about it. I think of how the breath across cultures is really like this connection that we have with the divine, right? God is literally breathing into us, right? And if we're made in God's image, then our breath holds power, right? So, it's just really important for us to not take breathing for granted and to make sure we are, being very mindful of how we utilize this resource. Yeah.

Jenn:

That's a really powerful reminder, man. of just like something that we can think of is like so small, but so vital. And like, we understand that it's vital, but not, we may even dismiss the power behind that, but behind that, like being. Something that fuels our life force as a yoga instructor, of course, I can definitely attest to how important breathing is. I think this is a good time to remind everyone that the physical practice of yoga, like the poses and everything, that's just one of the eight limbs of yoga and that yoga philosophy is really about how can I get a better connection to the divine? How can I better access? It's that collective consciousness. So when you're thinking about being able to sit and meditate for long periods of time using your breath. You know, if your back, you know, your neck, your back, your neck, and your back is kind of jacked up. That's why the physical practice comes in. So I think sometimes a lot of people are like, Oh, yoga is just like stretching or, you know, all of the different iterations of the physical practice. But it's bigger than that. And breath is one of those limbs by itself, just breathing. So Pranayama. Yes, breath is important in the physical practice. It's improving your posture. It's helping you get deeper into things. One thing I found very, um, powerful when I started practicing yoga was when you're doing a body scan and maybe you're having like a little ache or pain, or you're in a pose and it's like, it's, it's feeling difficult, the instructor may tell you to direct your breath to that body part and using that energy, that chi, that prana. To ease your suffering, so to speak, and being able to think of like, wait, I'm sorry. You mean I can't get out of this pose or like take a Advil later or like, what do you mean? I'm directing my breath there when I'm getting energy healing, I try and help by directing my breath towards whatever, like, you know, whatever's feeling sticky or tight. And, um, I feel like that makes it more easeful. So there's that, but you also have like lion's breath, breath of fire, which can be a really interesting way of like transmuting energy. It can be invigorating. It can be energizing all of these different things of just like playing with your breath. I want to say play because it is interesting and. You're like, Oh, what's that? This is a different sensation. And that just came from me going like,

Mik:

you

Jenn:

know, now like I got wasabi brain, you know, when you eat too much wasabi, like all of this is, and all I did was breathe. The last thing I will say is there is a class that I've taken called psychic development. It's taught by one of my favorite yoga instructors here, who hopefully I see today. And there are no yoga poses. You're just sitting on a mat. And it's a bunch of breathing exercises. And one of my favorite ones is where he, you direct your breath from through each chakra and you feel each breath. Like once you're in it, cause it's like an hour long class. Once you're in it, like you feel, once you get your breath to your crown chakra, you get all the little tingles. Um, you feel your breath. It's a different type of. awareness that, again, something so small, something some people might even think of as insignificant until they can't do it, can be really, really powerful in a spiritual way.

Mik:

Yeah, I got to attend one of those, those classes with Jen once. So shout out to Yancey for that. We, we, we I had a really good time doing that also wanna shout out McKenna Anderson, who we've had on the show before who does myofascial release. And you were talking about breathing into certain areas when she's doing that, that fascia release, sometimes she'll ask you to breathe into that area. It's like a particularly, Um, tough spot that she needs to, to release her fashion. And I know you're going to be having a session soon, so you'll, you'll get that, that experience as well. So, uh, if you guys haven't listened to that episode, go back and check that out. Um, fashion releases is really cool body work that

Jenn:

I'm very excited, uh, cause my sciatica is acting and I'm very grateful that I have a very powerful energy healer in my house that can work on me. Every day, and I'm still gonna go see McKenna. Yeah,

Mik:

no, no, I mean, I can do the energy part, but the fascia releases, that's what, you know, the body hold, the body keeps score, right? That's like, where your body's still holding it. I don't, I'm not trained in fascia release. So, you know, I can't quite get it all, all the way worked out for you.

Jenn:

My last resort is just getting pregnant. That was the last thing to help too. Last time, you know, when it flared up, I get pregnant and go away. But we need more patrons for this.

Mik:

Tiffany, don't look at me right now. I want to discuss a process that I've learned. It's a breathwork. Um, practice that I recently was trained in. Uh, so it doesn't actually have a name, but it was developed by a man named David Elliott. Uh, and it's essentially a, a breathing technique where you're breathing in, uh, your mouth and out of, out through your mouth, you kind of take two breaths in. So it's kind of like you fill up your belly, your belly first, then your chest. So it's like a, and then you exhale out of your mouth again, right? And so you're basically just doing that technique for, A specific amount of time and what's happening during that that process is you are oxygenating your blood because you're taking in a lot more air, uh, and you are basically allowing energy to move with that breath. And so, as we talked about before, how the breath is. You know, in all traditions, really connected to life, right? And the vital life force energy. And so with just, just breathing, no psychedelics, no, you know, um, other techniques that folks can, you know, implement, you're just using your breath. You're able to really move lots of energy throughout your body and have really cathartic healing experiences. Um, and so what I've seen, uh, in the training as well as working one on one is that it can be a very intense, emotional. Release that people experience. You know, there are folks who are, you know, dealing with childhood trauma, sexual trauma, things like that. And by just using that breath, they're able to unlock some of those, those wounds and move some of that energy out of their, their, their lower chakras, um, and out of their body, just using that breath. And it's, it's really, it's really powerful. Super powerful. I mean, folks may have seen videos on social media of like rooms of people who are crying and they're breathing really heavy. Uh, that's a derivative of this, a different type of, of, of breath. Um, I don't, I don't think there's any that David has, um, published out there on, on social media. Um, but there are a lot of different types of these techniques. Um, the one I learned just came from, um, From David Elliot, who again is an author and healer and he's written a couple books. I learned it through Aaron Telford, who's an amazing breath work facilitator. Um, and so yeah, I got trained in, in being able to, to hold space one-on-one for folks. And I've had the pleasure of doing that for, for folks, uh, for about a month now. So

Jenn:

I didn't know what all this was going to entail. Yeah, okay. And it was very powerful. Yeah. Whew. It

Mik:

is work. It is work. They

Jenn:

put the work in breath work. Yes.

Mik:

It's an active breathing technique. Like you actually have to be like. focused on your body breathing. I actually don't like it. To me, it's like at the beginning, it feels like I'm at the gym. I'm like trying to like get myself to do something.

Jenn:

But the payoff is, the payoff is very, very huge. Especially once you know, not necessarily what to expect, but if you remember to Let go like once you're done with the work and you just let go it's like Sensations it can be here. It can be crown chakra You know, you might see things You might experience things I feel like I had like downloads and like kind of like revelations or like different thoughts about different things I was kind of puzzling through at the time and it's really about Once you let go into it, it can be very powerful. And as someone who partakes in plant medicine from time to time. I would say, like, the experiences can be very similar.

Mik:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jenn:

Which is very fascinating and interesting.

Mik:

For sure. For sure. Yeah, I had one client, uh, I'm not gonna say names or anything. I'm gonna keep that, um, confidential. But I did have a client who had had some sexual trauma, uh, in the past. And when we were going through the process, she started to have, like, these kind of involuntary shakes. Um, and my instructor had talked about specifically, um, when some of those convulsions happen, it's like the body remembering that abuse and like trying to fight against it. Essentially, like kind of going back, almost like you're reliving it back and going back in time and having that physical reaction of trying to get the person off of you or whatever that may have looked like. So it can, again, just be really powerful what comes up for people and what they're able to release. Cause at the end of it, she was able to, you know, Kind of reclaim herself, reclaim her energy and her body and kind of stand more in her power. And obviously it's very emotional. I mean, she was, she had lots of tears coming out, but I think it was, um, as I said before, cathartic, just like able to, to get that out and release and feel. More healed energetically. Yeah for people and then I'll say from just my own experience I haven't had the you know that level of trauma But I will say that there have been some some blocks and fear blocks and things that I've experienced Along this route along this path and I think there's been a period of a couple of months where I was feeling just not as tapped in from like, uh, uh, intuitive spiritual standpoint. And there was something about going through this breath work and removing some of those fear blocks that really allowed for me to, to tap in. And I felt the presence of both of my grandmothers. Um, I felt, uh, and even saw Jesus at one point felt like. I was like, able to kind of have this clear line of communication with the divine, uh, in a way that I had felt blocked from before. So, yeah, there's just so many applications I'd say to, to utilize in this technique and yeah, I really would encourage folks to taking, taking the opportunity to, to do, uh, some of that work and there's ways you can do self guided. So on Spotify, David Elliot does have a playlist of, um, uh, breathwork exercises that you can do. Um, if you're looking to be guided and have someone facilitate for you, um, I do have offerings now up on the shotguns and shotguns website where you can do a remote guided one on one session with me. Uh, and I'll be offering a discount, uh, for a limited time. So you can use the code BREATHE25, um, to get 25 percent off. Um, so that is, that is now live on shotgunsandshotguns. com slash readings. Um, so check that out.

Jenn:

And mixed up. I. I did breathwork one time, like a full one.

Mik:

Yeah.

Jenn:

During yoga teacher training with someone else. And, and I don't know if we were just like tired from training or what, but it did not click. It did not stick for me. I don't know. I don't think the, the cards were not, it wasn't aligning. The stars, not cards. You know what I'm trying to say. I was tired. Anyway. Okay. Mick is really good about guiding and I would definitely suggest for your first one to do a guided one but because the breath can kind of be a little tricky to get the first time because we're not used to inhaling through our mouths Inflating our belly, like it's kind of like a, it's, it's a little bit different. So having a guide, I think was very helpful and make like doing it one on one was very helpful for me. Okay. So we'll end with talking about some really simple breathing techniques that you can do in a few minutes, especially if you have an Apple watch and you can do the setting where you just breathe for a minute, very similar to what we were doing. You know, trying to remember to do the belly inhale and exhale. Some of the techniques that we're also going to talk about are similar to the breathwork meditations that we've done at the beginning of the show. I feel like we've done each of these at some point in time. And we have even more available in our breathwork library that is available to our Patreon subscribers. So you have box breathing.

Mik:

So that's just basically breathing, um, to where you're, you're taking the same number of seconds as you inhale. Then you hold for the same number of seconds. Then you exhale for the same number of seconds and then you hold again for the same number of seconds. So it's typically like eight seconds, I think is usually what most people do, but you can, you can put variations on that.

Jenn:

Okay. Four, seven, eight breathing, let's inhale, hold, exhale, inhale four, hold seven, exhale for eight seconds. So taking a much longer time to exhale and then alternate nostril breathing. You can hold your nose and then inhale. exhale on the other side, inhale on that side, exhale, and just kind of toggle back and forward. Um, that was always really interesting. I like alternate nostril breathing. That's something we would do in that development class. I

Mik:

feel like for me, it requires a lot of coordination. So I'm like, always like, I'm on the right, right nostril. So it all depends on your personal preference. For me, it's a little, it's a little bit too much thinking on my, yes.

Jenn:

It's almost like you have to bring your awareness to like, okay. Just the left nostril, inhale, right nostril, exhale, right nostril, inhale, left. And like, almost that is like an active meditation. Yeah, for sure, for sure. But if you get to in your head, like, ah, what nose, ah, ah, do I hold this, how do I wanna Then you kinda spin yourself out. But if you're just like In it and just focus on like, this is what I'm doing. Yeah. Then I think it's a little easier.

Mik:

All right, we're gonna get out of here, y'all. Not to make a

Jenn:

baby, though.

Mik:

Not to make a baby. Friendly reminder to again, go and check out our Patreon account since Jim wants to. We have another baby. We need your support. So uh, go to patreon. com slash shotguns and shotguns. The link is also in the show description or on our website, shotguns and shotguns. com. Lots of great stuff there. The breathwork library is available. Discounts on merch like this very, very comfortable hoodie that I'm wearing right now. So go ahead and check that out.

Jenn:

We have a crop top hoodie too. Oh yeah. That's my fave.

Mik:

That is your fave.

Jenn:

All right. And finally, if you're loving the show, please subscribe and give us five stars wherever you watch or listen.

Mik:

Namaste.